In case any of you missed this amazing post by M3, please go read it now. It’s an incredibly poignant post of his younger years and what happened to him in following all of his blue pill teachings. All of us have been brought up with blue pill thinking to some degree. Men are taught to be sensitive and nice. They are taught that their masculinity is something that must be hidden away and buried. That it is somehow . . . wrong. Read his post to see the horrible effects of this feminist thinking.
Women are taught to embrace our sexuality, to have fun, and that, no matter what, Mr. Right will someday appear to sweep us off our feet with no preparation on our part, whatsoever. The effect can be seen in so many articles written by highly educated, career successful, yet sad women.
M3, thank God, got angry. Very angry, and from that, his masculinity came forth and changed his life (from the post, I think it even saved his life). It is time we start teaching our children the truth, that men and women are different and it is these very differences that attract us to each other. It makes men neither brutes nor savages and it makes women neither simpering weaklings nor ornamental. Men are given the gift of masculinity and women the gift of femininity to do with what we choose. We can use them selfishly or selflessly and we mustn’t take away those gifts away any longer.
I’m puzzled here. Over on HUS, if anyone posted anything 1/10 as intense in the company of women they are “bitter loser”, posting this directly would warrant a call to the cops (“i feel like disfiguring her face with a scalpel”). Therefore, I assume most women take the attitude to an emoting man. Heck, Badger got blacklisted for barely saying 1/100th of this. Yet you seem capable of empathy even through anger?
What gives? Is it the turf where expressed, or the attitudes expressed that matters?
M3 is an amazing example of overcoming obstacles, seeing the truth, and learning a good balance between alpha and beta, I thought his story was incredibly passionate and inspiring.
OTC:
You and I have been around HUS long enough to know that the women of HUS can’t handle this kind of truth. Susan Walsh has made it clear that M3′s post is one indicative of digesting the red pill; and that she doesn’t want men using her site to talk through and work out red pill digestion.
Most women simply cannot handle a man expressing these kinds of feelings and this kind of pain. Most women look at this and recoil in horror and disgust. This kind of emoting in a man is necessary, but frightening and very unattractive to women. Women hate seeing this kind of emoting in men, because it scares the hell out of them. “Shit. If he’s falling apart, how is he going to take care of me when I fall apart (which is a weekly occurrence)?”
THis is another example of just another lie we men were taught: If you need to emote and feel your feelings, tell your wife or GF. She wants to see all your feelings, she wants you to lay your heart bare to her so she can “really know you”.
Shit. She doesn’t want to really “know” all your feelings. She wants you to provide a safe place for HER to feel HER feelings.
OTC:
“Is it the turf where expressed, or the attitudes expressed that matters?”
A little of both, I think. HUS is a site expressly targeted at East Coast college coed and recent graduates between ages 18 and 30, to help them navigate the SMP without getting a disease or knocked up or falling victim to a cad pump & dump.
This site talks about masculinity and femininity.
OTC,
I’m not sure, really, what gives. It might have to do with age or that I was raised around quite masculine men. Also, I think it has a lot to do with how M3 presented it. He presented it through anger, not bitterness. There is a discernible line between the two which some women will conflate to use it as a weapon. Same with the word misogyny. I got the sense that M3 was, at one point. bitter, but no longer. Anger is a masculine quality even though a lot of women don’t like to see it as it scares them. It’s not disgusting, though it will be turned into that, again, as a weapon. In his current place, I do not get any bitterness from M3. I if I had, I wouldn’t have reposted it as I don’t care for bitterness any more than any other women. Anger though, is a different story. It can give strength and resolve. It is what I think gave him what he needed to change. (M3, if you read this and I get any of it wrong, please correct me) Controlled anger is a very masculine trait, IMO, and I have a lot of respect for what he has done with it and himself.
Glad you directed me towards M3′s piece. It has helped clarify a few matters in regard to my recent, increasing malaise with the “red-pill community.” I sympathize but do not relate to M3′s plight, and my focus is on teaching the generations rather than trying to salvage men from the warped timber of the feminist era.
I am developing a hard repulsion to the emotional PUA self-help attitude and the uppity, overcompensating, shallow poseur it usually produces. My cringe is nothing against late-life alpha aspirants, indeed, I have great respect for men like M3 who have persevered despite their feminist malformation and the quick-cure PUA panacea placebo.
But the fact is, these are deeply damaged men the same way double-digit sluts are deeply damaged women. To restore the light in their eyes is above my pay grade (hello, Holy Spirit), and the very attempt inspires a counterproductive cynicism in those who pursue a solid reclamation project with damaged material, rather than starting fresh. They have no common frame of reference with me when it comes to building on a childhood foundation, and through that foundation, to set the tempora and mores aright.
So most of my energy is wasted on remedial argument with overcompensating forces (MGTOW, PUA) who mistake their adoption of feminine “wiles” with a liberation from the feminine. I do not aim to manage the symptoms of this corruption, but rather to charge the center of the cancer and to excise it. Too many are teaching the manipulation of and compromise with the side-effects of the disease rather than aiming for the cure. Nibbling around the edges of the regime is enough for most men, as they are then able to achieve a separate peace. But decapitation is the mission. A selfless courage will be required. Your title is “Teaching to the Future,” and “future” is the proper emphasis.
I am all for men carving out a refuge from the storm, but the anger and bitterness that sustains M3′s transformation — much less the (understandable) enmity he has for women — has no place in a broad renewal of the culture. As you, Stingray, and other XX-red-pillers know, women can be our most stalwart allies in this struggle. It is hard to be men in full these days: the calibration must be precise lest one partisan group or another take advantage. Even so, being a magnanimous man is possible in every age. I approach feminists with pity, not contempt. I see PUA’s as necessary strivers and agents of correction, despite the crippling personal disadvantages of ambitiousness. Generosity is not synonymous with weakness, even today, after a century of being tortured because of that generosity.
Love the articles on food, Stingray. Made my stomach growl, and behold the feminine power of inspiring and sating a man’s hungers! GeishaKate has the right idea: special ops training at a culinary school to perfect her assassination skills.
Matt
It doesn’t seem bitter to me, but, I think most women would call this both extremely angry AND extremely bitter. What would be “bitter” in your book? Regret?
What you speak of here will take a strength of character and a steadfastness that is difficult to find in this day and age. Not to mention a courage that would be astounding. The man and his family would be eviscerated. So not only are we talking about his courage, but the courage of those he surrounds in his life. If his children are small, he likely wouldn’t do it and I could not say I would blame him.
But if enough men do this, wouldn’t it end up being the actual cure? It would be slow and painful for a lot of people but it is evident of the pendulum swing as it turns back to the center. Women will follow men no matter what, it’s in our nature and as more men leave/become PUA’s/only marry the most feminine of women, women will find themselves changing to follow these patterns as best they can. Is it optimal? Probably not, but I can’t see any other solution in sight. What do you propose?
I agree. But we need strong leadership to do so, I think. Temptation and pride are sometimes too much to overcome on our own.
I’m glad you liked them. Food can be a powerful weapon!
OTC,
Bitter in my book . . . hmmmm. Not regret, no. There is nothing wrong with regret as long as it is accepted for what it is. I think bitterness enters when there is evident whining, blaming of others, and no acceptance of reality. Bitterness in a man is akin to the “Why are there no good men left” meme from women.
I can’t believe I forgot to address this. No, generosity if NOT weakness. Quite the contrary, generosity can be the pinnacle of strength. I remember a conversation Maritus and I had a few month ago about this very thing and it goes hand in hand with some things I know you have said before, as well. Maritus told me that it is through his strength and his leadership that he can be generous. It is through his own goals (that many in todays culture would deem selfish as he must pursue them so fiercely) that he is able to give so much to others. He is the most generous person I know and he could not be so if he did not pursue what he wants from his life first and foremost. As you have said and is most evident in what I have witnessed from the strong men around me, being a leader is being a servant and with that comes the most amazing things. Some men call this slavery. Some call it strength. I am with the latter group through and through and I will stand by any man in this group and use my skills to support them in their strength. Many women would.
@ Stingray
Where I draw the line between generosity and being taken advantage of is generally in how I’m approached. I almost always refuse to help someone unless they put forward a slight effort to obtain my assistance AND it’s a form of assistance in which they can be put in a position to help themselves afterwards. This weeds out most of the people looking just to ise you as they’ll seek an easier target rather than jump through a few hoops.
@ Matt
I’ll keep saying this, but don’t stop saying the advice you give in the manner you do so. Its taking me time to get my body, mind, and soul aligned correctly in the manner I desire, but advice in the manner of which you deliver is what assists me in such. My deliverence of such on my own blog is usually fairly mild in comparison to the tone compared to M3′s and thus gets less traffic or notice, but I have a strong foundation to build my life on that I’m becoming increasingly proud of as I continue to work on it
Thank you for the direction to M3′s post, Stingray. It was an achingly sad window to just how terrible the repercussions of the feminist Matrix can be.
But, like Matt, I have been cognisant lately of the almost utter lack of discussion on the topic which should be of prime importance – what should a red pill future look like and how do we help bring it about? How is the feminine imperative to be dismantled? Is a return to what was possible, and is that, in turn, optimal?
I absolutely think a lot of the red-pill sites are doing valuable work helping men better their lives now, but there has to be a next step. Maybe it is up to those of us who have already established stable red-pill lifestyles to work toward that.
King A:
“I do not aim to manage the symptoms of this corruption, but rather to charge the center of the cancer and to excise it. Too many are teaching the manipulation of and compromise with the side-effects of the disease rather than aiming for the cure. Nibbling around the edges of the regime is enough for most men, as they are then able to achieve a separate peace. But decapitation is the mission. A selfless courage will be required. Your title is “Teaching to the Future,” and “future” is the proper emphasis.”
You are talking about nothing less than bringing down the entire feminist establishment. Unfortunately, that cannot be done without destroying the entire culture, economy, and political and business establishments. The host has to die to kill the parasite of feminism, so that uninfected people can go on.
“I am all for men carving out a refuge from the storm, but the anger and bitterness that sustains M3′s transformation — much less the (understandable) enmity he has for women — has no place in a broad renewal of the culture.”
True. But I’m of the opinion that the culture is too far gone to be renewed. It will have to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up.
Leap,
Yep, that line between generosity and being taken advantage of is the key. It’s not always easy to do but if one makes a mistake once, it doesn’t need to happen again. I think some people get caught up in this. They said yes once, realized they got taken advantage of and then are afraid to say no the next time. There is a saying “Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
Phedre,
I think the lack of discussion stems from two things, 1) No one really knows what to do other than what they are and 2) with the economy being unsustainable as it is, we may not have to do anything at all. It may all take care of itself, unfortunately, in an extremely harsh fashion.
Phedre
Very VERY few people are in a position to be an agent of change. Anyone in the machine is controlled by it. From workers to CEOs to boards to shareholders – what few people realize is that even the CEOs and boards are legally required to pursue profits at all costs even if they morally dont agree. To do otherwise could initiate legal consequences if anyone pursues such, to say nothing of simply being fired.
The only people that can be agents of chanfe are those that live off or near off the grid. I can do so slightly by what projects I pursue, what jobs I take, and what I do in my large amounts of free time. I’m always doing my hustle, but my incentives as provided by society are low to help society. If that happens it is only a by product of me pursuing my own goals.
Personally they line up somewhat because of my beliefs with art theatre and community. But I can see why this happens rarely
Stingray wrote:
Nah, it wouldn’t require an unusual courage. Just the normal amount we used to ask of normal men. The key bit of knowledge is that, while there are intimidating loudmouths, they are paper tigers who only persevere in unchallenged and unchallenging environments. And 80% of the surrounding people either agree with your anti-feminism or won’t make an issue it.
The proof is in the all-important game sites, which were the trial balloon. Sure they got on Southern Poverty’s increasingly absurd Enemies List, but what came of the gamesters’ provocative truthtelling? They persevere and thrive (though frustratingly refuse to/cannot lead men to the next level).
Absolutely not. You attack the arms, the arms regenerate, and the next would-be attacker is intimidated. You go for the brain, the whole show is over. Not only is nibbling around the edges counterproductive, it is positively morale sapping. We men don’t want to swat at gnats our whole lives, we want to slay big game.
Sounds feasible but not terribly efficient to me, particularly when bitterness fuels the engine. You can lead women with the whip (absence/dark pick up/abuse), and that is a key part of the strategy to be sure. But you can also lead them with the carrot. PUA’s stuck on their “dark triad” goth fantasies don’t understand how much of their appeal is, in fact, “carrot.”
Men liberate women from their faux/nominal “liberation.” Men who act like men allow the space for/force the performance of/sexually entice women to act like women. While the feminist smog precludes clear appreciation of this freedom provided by manly iconoclasts, the sheer ability to relax in her own skin is not a gift lightly to be considered. “The Problem That Has No Name” today is the harried-wandering career girl with a vague inkling that something has gone deeply wrong. And then if she’s lucky and manages to avoid getting used up, she meets Mr. Right, who is nothing like everybody promised.
This is the key flaw in the nihilist/atheist/secularist/scientistic PUA’s attempt at manliness. Something in their omega or beta background causes them to fear magnanimity as a fatal display of weakness. Even thinking of the first couple examples of the very best of men we know puts the lie to this canard, and yet the reformed-beta PUA’s twist themselves in knots to proclaim noblesse oblige, caritas, and giving from largess is the definition of “white knightery.” That goes to my original point: the betrayal they experienced in childhood/young adulthood makes them suspicious for life, eternally fearing they will slide back to their former selves.
Those of us who were brought up right and strong, we don’t have these issues. I had dozens of manly role models, and I will bet serious cash that the dark-worshipping amoral pissants in the “red-pill community” come from broken homes or still wrestle with the ghosts of beta fathers. For all the sympathy we might muster for their plight — which no boy deserves — we can see clearly through the psychological defense mechanisms that lead to their overreaching.
Matt
Leap of a Beta begins to answer Phedre’s question:
Leap of a Beta answered:
Yes, the “red pill future” begins with the individual man and the rightful reclamation of his sovereignty. If you are beholden to any number of “grids,” this eventually becomes impossible, and like deti, one begins to despair for the ability of anyone to effect comprehensive cultural transformation:
Well, the purveyors of culture — i.e., flesh and blood human beings — are destroyed and rebuilt once every quarter-century or so. The generations come and go, and at any moment a new one is entering its prime. To “destroy,” “renew,” and “rebuild” requires little more than generational constancy and patience. Steering the culture is like turning an aircraft carrier around.
Further, revolutions are quicksilver. I am with Burke in denying that mores can be replaced overnight, even with great violence, and yet revolutions are powerful and mercurial when they acknowledge the underlying reality already intuited by most everyone, if intimidated from expressing it. We don’t have to change people’s minds so much as make it safe for people to speak the truth again. When the Berlin Wall finally comes down, it comes down quickly, and there is no trace of it left outside of museums.
Now, considering that this country was born in revolution and exhorts each generation to take up the revolutionary mantle …
And, considering that our culture almost uniquely possesses vestigial safeguards against tyranny, such as federalism, states’ rights, minority protections, Manifest Destiny, and rugged individualism infused in the national DNA …
And, considering that, while clearly on the wane, we still have the numbers and the fortitude …
… we are better positioned to effect “creative destruction” than any cohort in human history. We just require the focus and the will.
Americans don’t do pessimism or cynicism well. We were designed that way. We set our “city on a hill” so that men with balls from four corners of the world would leave behind millennia of familial ties and cross “tempest-tost” oceans to rally here. The New Colossus lifts her “lamp beside the golden door” not for the “tired,” the “poor,” or the “huddled masses” so much as for men who naturally “yearn to breathe free.” We are their sons. When one day we return to our fathers, in their mighty company shall we stand ashamed?
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips.
What is the “red-pill future”? It is the American past, before we began flirting with ennui and self-slaughter. Great civilizations “die from suicide, not by murder.” By now the fortitude is in our blood, and the poison of ressentiment has touched neither all of us comprehensively nor any of us irredeemably. “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” If despair causes a man to “do nothing,” he has no American blood in him. To him I wish, along with Samuel Adams, that “your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
Matt
Ok, but how?
Ahh, but this is exactly what I was thinking. Only, as usual, you explained it better than I did. Men are are the carrot. No matter how much fish/bicycle nonsense one hears, you all are the ultimate carrot. What’s more, women might vehemently deny it, but . . . we know it.
[Close my bold bracket if you can, Stingray.]
Through a concerted group effort that supplements all the many individual ones. Don’t get me wrong: the improvement of individual lives enabled by game is necessary and indeed indispensable. But it isn’t sufficient.
How do you steer a galley ship around? The oars pull in one direction and as one, coordinated by a coxswain.
The solution is simple, but it is not easy. It begins with the work you are presently engaged in, Stingray: raising boys to be men and girls to be women. Without your foundational, family-by-family transformation, any external efforts are for naught.
The more aggressive and proximate cultural work that men have to do will be primarily destructive in this generation. We have to clear the decks of the idols of the age so that your sons have a chance to be free of the fallout in the culture at large. And if it takes longer than that, then your boys will have to pick up the wrecking ball and jackhammer (which, trust me, men love to do).
Look, so much of man’s transformational power is today locked up in escapism and sport (or the repulsive combination of the two, “fantasy sports”). Many have been denatured, many are too old to want to fight, and many of the deep thinkers of this community are surrounded by too much middle-aged senescence. But talk straight to a young man — be the unforgiving but loving coach that all masculine children respond to — and you become a model for his life. Take the same boy and either send him to his room with an Xbox or send him on a bus to Parris Island, and in ten weeks they will be different men.
If this is too abstract to sound responsive to your question, consider that the details fill themselves in where principles remain strong. How does a man make his family more manly and thereby his community more self-sufficient? How does a culture remove itself from the morass? Well, the opportunities present themselves for those with the trained eye, so the goal for now is remedial and focused training. “The facts of life are conservative,” said Thatcher. “Reform or be destroyed, Gomorrah,” said God. The change is coming, the only question is how painful the transformation will be. When clarity of mind is achieved, men (especially white men) are good at focusing on detail and “next steps.”
Parallel to the political movement to remove obsolescent feminist intimidation (like anti-harassment laws, quotas, etc.) is a cultural clawback centered around local mores. If you are in an urban center, well, prepare for the brimstone of Genesis 19. If you are in the country, you can more easily and more quietly revolt against the egalitarian fictions vomiting forth from the distant king’s court, such as integrating the sexes to the point of destroying institutions (Title IX) and sexualizing girls before they are mentally prepared to defend against hypergamy.
Religious services, hunting lodges, men’s clubs, women’s social circles — they all have an eager audience waiting to populate them as soon as they see Ceaușescu’s body produced from the Presidential Palace, when it’s safe to criticize openly again. People forget the denouement of “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” Yes, everyone was mortified when the child blurted out the truth. “‘But he has nothing at all on!’ at last cried out all the people.” But
Emphasis added. The procession must go on. The lies can be exposed, but the liars must be definitively and comprehensively delegitimated, without any hope of their returning to power again. We once did that by chopping off their heads and fixing them to pikes. Otherwise people will deny the truth in front of their faces for fear of consequence. We have tolerated “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?” for so long that we have become unable to detect both its ubiquity and its perniciousness.
But again, the American man was selected to be less beholden to such servility than the herd animals from other, less successful cultures. It is merely a matter of achieving critical mass — which is far less than a majority — and the supermajority of youth will find it safe to live the truth. Living the truth has a strong effect. Those who have tasted freedom firsthand are reluctant to let it be taken from them in their or their children’s lifetime.
How do we achieve critical mass? In hundreds of small ways. We have already begun. Your own work, based on self-starting initiative is an example of how the clawback begins. The next step is to coordinate disparate efforts into efficient resistance. That is the work of far-seeing men of prudential judgment — and while they may seem thin on the ground now, Americans have always produced the timely hero. They will arrive surely as Washington, Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Pershing, Eisenhower, Ridgeway, and Reagan arrived. It’s just how we do things here.
When the enervating fogs are cleared away by the thrill of emergency, we will discover an embarrassment of riches in terms of leadership and character among Americans. But for now, the Emperor’s intimidation holds sway, and we miss virtue as we daily walk past it.
Matt
Stingray, you go to the head by doing what Matt speaks of, which is teaching the next generation how to be men, how to be women, and how each should interact in ways that are congruous with our natures.
You raise a child with the wisdom that is currw ntly being relearned here on the internet
As for how to make individual efforts into concerted group efforts… it will come from individual men standing up as beacons of leadership to their communities. Of men becoming inspiring leaders that can rally the hearts and souls of those behind them, then nuture those men to be better leaders of the same values or at minimum the best followers they can be.
I myself aspire to such goals through my art and theatre. Here in a month or two I likely have to face a critical decision – if I want to (and evaluate if i realistically can) carve out my own theatre company here in chicago or if I want to pursue a MFA to attempt to teach the minds of college students. Ive been given increasingly clear signs that I can’t do both and likely can’t do one and then the other. Yet either would fulfill the drives I have within me while giving opportunities to train and affect future leaders and communities.
Its a personal example, but the best one I’m able to clearly state. Hell. It might be the only one I can clearly state and thus why it resonates within me so clearly
Noble and inspiring words, and I hope with all my heart that it does happen by that path. But then I look around at the emasculated and immoral men and vulgar, vicious women around me, and at the degree to which ‘political correctness’ has become entrenched and protected by law, and I feel, like Deti, that only utter collapse would enable the change we seek.
Phedre wrote:
Despair is a self-fulfilling prophesy. What’s the point of trying insofar as you are convinced our destiny is set in stone? Cynicism and fatalism has no place here.
I don’t see how what I wrote suggests a destiny set in stone. I genuinely hope that the work we do in our own lives to that end will be enough in the grand scheme of things. Do I need to BELIEVE that it will work out by the best possible path? I can do my part without that sure belief.
“But, like Matt, I have been cognisant lately of the almost utter lack of discussion on the topic which should be of prime importance – what should a red pill future look like and how do we help bring it about? How is the feminine imperative to be dismantled? Is a return to what was possible, and is that, in turn, optimal?”
Lulz. Stop with the drama, please. One day the current boss will go and you or your descendants will get to meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Social order is based on lies everywhere, and the only change that ever happens is that sometimes the lies are replaced with new lies. There was a time (traditionalism) when men were told that women are their moral equals. Then they were told that women are their intellectual equals (feminism). One line of BS was replaced with another line of BS. That’s how it has always been.
“Red Pill future”? Dream on. Do you actually think there’ll ever be a society where men and women are told nothing but the truth about each other, a society which does NOT manipulate relationships between men and women through endless BS and dumb laws? Yeah right.
Of course there’s never going to be a ‘perfect’ society. But I think male-female relations used to be better and could return to being better.
I think it was originally M3′s story (and partly Yohami’s) that really got me thinking about starting a blog. The stuff he used to say about his ex-wife at HUS really made me think long and hard about my own behavior, and how it would cause my relationship to fall apart if I wasn’t careful.
It’s interesting that you point right to anger here. I just moved in with my BF a few months ago, and I learned two things very quickly: 1) he expresses his anger rather freely, and 2) I need to give him as much space as possible in those moments. When I witness his anger, I have a more immediate reaction along the lines of “I need to go to him and help calm him down ASAP” and another, more logical reaction, which basically amounts to “holy shit, if this anger was directed at me, he could snap and do something to really hurt me, and there’d be nothing I could do to defend myself. Staying out of the way now.”
I guess I sort of see the angrier parts of the manosphere that way as well. Men need the space to be angry, and they don’t need to be scolded or patronized with an “awwww you poor baby, just relax and stay calm” attitude, particularly by women. This isn’t something I was taught, so I’ve slowly been learning and applying this mode of thinking to my relationship. It seems to be working out so far. In the same vein, I also generally refrain from sticking my oar in at many of the manosphere blogs. There’s a reason I read but don’t comment at Rollo’s, for example.
Men need the space to be angry, and they don’t need to be scolded or patronized with an “awwww you poor baby, just relax and stay calm” attitude, particularly by women
I wholeheartedly agree, Olive. Sometimes I have even typed out rather long comments, sit there for a minute before I hit *post* and end up deleting the whole thing. Sometimes men just need men and I will read and observe but stay out of it. If I were to guess, I would say you BF really likes that you remain silent and trust him with his anger, while at the same time truly appreciates knowing that, while quiet, you are there for him the minute he needs you to be. Sometimes the very best support a woman can give is her quiet presence.
I am very glad you came here, Olive. Your experiences and your way are most welcome.
It’s good to be here!
Bit late to the conversation, here, but it occurs to me to point out that incrementalism works. Put another way, training up a new crop won’t work if they get cut off at the knees and reeducated once they’re in a position to do something. Bleed them off at the edges. Take down the easy targets. Make it OK to raise your voice in opposition – which in itself takes incremental progress. Mock and ridicule the absurdity of things. Demand that they conform to their own standards. Soften the enemy positions, so to speak, so that the troops we’re training have some chance of overrunning them. And yes, in the mean time, make sure those who will follow are trained in truth, have never worn blinders, and are armored in love and armed with reason.
Hello, Olive. Your website(s) don’t allow general comments unless you are registered with WordPress or Google.
I’ve been patiently waiting for you to return. Your input is very valuable, considering your age and particular experience. I have known many women dealing with your circumstances. I hope you stick around.
I tell all the women with the moxie to survive the “manosphere” that you should combine forces and publish a gang blog, so that you might fill in each others’ downtime. Right now you have two blogs and it dilutes your message/confuses your readers.
You will find a great deal of support from the “red pill women.” Cheers, and God bless.
Matt
Pergrine John,
I often go back and forth between incremental and cut off at the knees. Cut off at the knees would be brutal, but fast and get the most people, I think. Whereas incremental makes more sense as it would ease people in and be less painful. Only for every incremental advancement we make, the feminist seems to have two more (for now as every advancement they make is so absurd these days that they are cutting themselves off.) I am not convinced the incremental can take us all the way back to the truth. I fear it might stop short.
Matt,
I’ve considered a gang blog as I have less time than I anticipated of late to post. I see several excellent things about it and several problems with it. I keep going back and forth.
Well, it’s the upcoming innocents being cut off, shut down and reprogrammed that I’m worried about. Incrementalism can’t work as a full solution for reasons you and others here have described, but I’m pretty sure we can’t make the big kills without cracking the armor whenever and wherever we can.
One way I see successful incremental gains happening is a combination of openly fighting the most egregiously unfair policies/laws/etc. and making it ok to disagree, allowing for the more timid to “come out” as favoring a sane approach to reality. Working toward a preference cascade, if you will. The head & heart shots would be things like that cascade coming to fruition or essential crap laws being abolished. The settling of something closer to truth could then happen. A bone reset is never pleasant, but the body is better for it afterward.
Keep considering it Stingray. You have the perfect temperament for an editor. Or editrix, if you prefer. (I trust you prefer.)
These blogs are so much more when there is interplay. It’s about the conversation more than the declaration, especially in a feminine dynamic. I can’t keep up with the growing distaff side of the ‘sphere, and from what I’ve seen, you all are bringing a pitch-perfect, new sound to the symphony with nary a false note.
How much girls need to hear you! They are falling prey to a dangerous new vapidity because they haven’t met a proper role model, much less could imagine you even exist.
Matt
Ah, there’s a good example of an overall strategy. Just before your own comment.
Matt,
Thanks for pointing that out, I believe I’ve fixed the comment issue.
I originally started a new blog because I didn’t think I’d end up returning to the old one. I’ve since written a couple new posts on the old one and deleted the link to the new one (which I may or may not keep). The writing is really for me to process my own thoughts at the moment, as my views are always changing and I don’t really have a concrete message yet. I’ll hopefully be sticking around this time though. Thanks for the well-wishes!