There is a recent article in the Daily Mail about Ann Hathaway and how she is perceived by the world:
Hathaway hates that she’s seen as a ‘bizarre-world good-girl character’, and feels she’s labelled as ‘very vanilla, very sweet, very accessible and not interesting,’ despite posing in a corset for a racy new shoot for Harper’s Bazaar magazine.
‘I’m not Rihanna,’ she told the fashion mag. ‘I’m not cool. When people come up to me in the street, they often want a hug not a photo, and they want that because they like my work.
‘For a long time it was me and her [her manager] against the world. I was seen as this bizarre-world good-girl cartoon that I in no way identified with – very vanilla, very sweet, very accessible and not interesting.
‘I had no grit, no sex appeal.’
I don’t know anything about Hathaway, but I have always found her presence to seem different than many of the actresses today. I found her to be somewhat refreshing in the way she presented herself in her photos as she came across as rather feminine and sweet (These impressions were always guarded as I find it too much to hope for anymore). Why is this considered such a bad thing? For goodness sake, she complains that she is not cool like Rihanna. Does she truly wish to go through what Rihanna went through to seem “cool”? To not be vanilla?
I’m also baffled by this sense that people want a hug because they like her work, and not a photo. A hug conveys to me a real affection. That these fans feel somehow close to her because of what she has done and yet, she would rather be cool and have photos taken. I suppose she doesn’t feel admired. But, feelings aside, is it not better to be thought of affectionately than admired? Admiration for an actor or an actress doesn’t come from actual respect of what she has done or who she is. It is a desire to be close to her because of her place in society. Is that something that she should really be striving for when she has more affection, maybe real affection, than most in her position today?
Lastly, I don’t understand this desire for “grit”. Grit tends to come from a place of hardness. Yes, women can have this and it can even be admirable. But when a women presents with this trait she has usually gone through some very tough times to develop it. She wishes to be interesting. Is grit the way to accomplish this? No. There are any number of things she could do to be interesting, but these things and an acting career do not go hand and hand, I would think.
It seems many in Hollywood want these traits assigned to them to further themselves. To somehow stand in with the crowd. On some level, they sense that their lives are quite superficial, yet they fear that in changing that they will then have to give up their lives and the spotlight. These are all contrivances to seek the next high in being in this light.
When did simple contentment and steadiness become boring and therefore something to look down upon? Do these traits scream “not interesting” and are something to be avoided? In the realm of relationships today, would a man overlook a content woman for not being interesting?
It’s Hollywood. I do realize that and silliness is to be expected, but the levels this is taken to amaze me.
Maybe she doesn’t fit her image. Perhaps she is all gritty and dark inside, unlike her outward image. When you’re like that, and everyone thinks you’re nice, it feels very uncomfortable.. Being typecast can be very annoying.
Or perhaps she just wants to be hotter, but isn’t she already considered hot?
sting: “When did simple contentment and steadiness become boring and therefore something to look down upon? Do these traits scream “not interesting” and are something to be avoided?”
It’s true for men. So it could be projection. Men without grit or an edge, are well-disliked by women.
Sting: “In the realm of relationships today, would a man overlook a content woman for not being interesting?”
No, if interesting is defined as “grit”. I think people can be interesting without being tough.
Good girls are everything grrrlz despise (and often fear.) Good girls are honest about their shortcomings, and don’t need glamorous facades. Good girls are just and fair, and earn what they own. Good girls grow up to be good women, good employees, good citizens, good wives, and good mothers. This is where good girls get their strength, grit or no grit. Good girls aren’t spoiled and selfish; they are compassionate and grateful. Good girls respect men who are worthy of respect. Next to good girls, grrrlz look like the trash they are, so grrrlz need to denigrate them in order to feel superior. Grrrlz call good girls weak and boring and prissy and frigid (loudly enough for the boys to hear.) Unfortunately, that’s mostly what the good girls hear about themselves, and they start to believe it. They are everything they will ever need to be, yet they feel inadequate, because they begin to believe the lies.
Anne Hathaway is simply chafing against her typecast, as many actors, actresses, and other public figures have. Once a person becomes known within Hollywood and on television, they’re known in a certain way, and therefore are expected to stay within the typecast. You see this repeatedly when an actor/actress is essentially playing the same role in multiple pictures. This is reinforced by the average viewing public, who resists change when something becomes familiar to them because it threatens them. There are rare opportunities when they get to go outside of that typecast and be successful, but when most of them attempt it, it usually leads to a diminished or ended career. Miley Cyrus is the latest example that comes to mind. When she stopped being Hannah Montana (not the show role, the act), things went downhill for her quick. All successful actors and actresses have typecasts.
Anne Hathaway got known for playing “good princesses” and typecast into that role. Think the “The Princess Diaries” movies. Think “Ella Enchanted”. Think the White Queen in “Alice In Wonderland”. This even extends into things such as “The Devil Wears Prada”. Essentially all the same character, and all stuff she is known for. Now she has done lesser known things where she played against type, but she is known and therefore typecast as a princess in higher-profile things. Princesses are supposed to be feminine and sweet, not sexy and gritty.
It seems she wants to break type. It’ll be interesting to see if she is successful with it.
actaully. most people don’t know Anne did a nude scene in one of her movies. “Havoc”.
i’ve always thought she was hot, and personally, i like her “good girl” ways. she’s not your typical hollywood naraccist. she def “GF material” and commitment worthy.
I read the same article and came to the same conclusion as Ballista (awesome name, BTW). Anne is hot and always has been. She’s also, by all counts, a decent and pleasant individual. I can understand how the dumbth that is Hollywood can make it hard for her to branch out in roles – and they are roles, after all, not bits of autobiography, no matter what the method actor set, or their misinformed public, says – once she’s got a particular niche well established. I really do think she just wants something higher profile outside her set “type”, to be able to act instead of do variations of her real self in something a larger audience might see. Plus being able to do edgy has a cool factor that I can’t blame her for envying.
Besides, vanilla isn’t unflavored. It can be rich and deeply tasty. I’d have a nice scoop of Anne any day.
I didn’t want to mention it, but that was what I was thinking when I mentioned “lesser known things”. It didn’t damage her career because it wasn’t that popular.
But I’ve been thinking over this one much. Anne has the qualities that many of the older actresses did at her age. Very vanilla, very sweet, and very accessible is very interesting – in other words being feminine. Most of the older actresses that had this down always had men wanting to be with them and women wanting to be them. In other words, insanely sexy.
Anne’s willing to have fun with her femininity, too, which is attractive (see her SNL monologue after “Love and Other Drugs” – I think she was nude there too from what I read). Her public persona shows a willingness to embrace what she is. She has incredible sex appeal (and yes with her clothes on) – vanilla is always good any day of the week.
(Her lines in that article about her marriage life are very interesting and sexy too. It all says “humble and content” which is very attractive too)
Emma,
Maybe, but I think it just the opposite. I think she is vanilla and she doesn’t like it. She thinks that she might get something more with grit.
Later in the article she mentions the beautiful 22 year old women coming into Hollywood. She is rather gracious about these women coming in, which I respect. Though I wonder if this is at least partly where this is coming from.
OTC,
I really have to wonder if projection is where this started a time ago. About the same time women started to behave more like men, or at least their version of it.
Suz,
I think that is why I am so frustrated (and wrote this post). Bad is the new *good* and it is ridiculous.
danny,
I think she is beautiful as well. I think that one of the reasons for the frustration.
ballista74 and Peregrine John,
I wondered that myself. But I don’t think it’s just an act, though on some level in her mind she is probably pushing for that.
Ballista74,
What you said about the older actresses was exactly what I had in mind as I was typing this last night. I almost went to google to place some of their pictures in with the post, but stopped as many of their private lives did not match the presence they wished to convey. However, their presence was always that of beauty, elegance, and positive sexiness (not the raunchy sexiness often portrayed today). Ann seems more reminiscent of these women and it made me think a lot more of her for it. That she can’t/won’t see this in her self is disappointing, but not really unexpected.
I need to ask the men, is she more attractive in her relative vanilla-ness or is her more *gritty* image more attractive? Or is this question irrelevant as she is attractive either way?
Or should I ask it like this, does one inspire thoughts of sex only while the other might inspire thoughts of someone you could get to know beyond just sex?
Yes, the definition of what is sexy changed. In the modern feminist definition, “sexy” is empowered and independent. It’s odd that a woman such as Anne Hathaway would look at Rihanna as something she would want to be, especially if you look into what she is as a person and her history. I would say Rihanna is pretty close to what I would call unsexy.
It is to me, too. When I got on an old movie kick, the relative difference of the women in how they handled themselves is what first hit me (more like a kick to the head). Much more pleasant to watch than the newer actresses. I even found myself attracted to one of them by the end of the picture, and no she didn’t do anything sexually raunchy and kept all her clothes on. So what was it that attracted me to her? The answer is easy, the actress was a real feminine woman and not the crude caricatures that exist today (womyn). Those qualities are hard to pin down precisely, since they’re visceral (you just *know* they’re there, but they’re hard to explain). But they were there.
Oddly enough, I have a post that I want to do in the next two or three days (time and Lord willing) that points to this regarding another couple of cases (and I may end up adding Anne and Rihanna) and is going to try to answer what is behind these questions. But I’ll try to be quick – if you mean by *gritty* image, the Harper’s Bazaar pictures, then no. Part of it is the pixie cut. When she has long hair, or extensions, her feminine nature seems to come out more and she seems to be more sexy as a result. But if she’s trying for “sexy”, she’s just trying too hard. Positive sexiness just is. The second picture, consequently is much more sexy. Raunchy sexiness happens when women flaunt their bodies. When they do that, they’re no better than prostitutes.
Your second question is a big one if you drive down to the reason you asked it and will evoke an answer of more visceral images that only men will relate to well (but I’m sure women have equivalents). Trying to be quick again: Sexually, there’s a kind of woman that you’re attracted to only on a physical plane. Raunchy sexy will usually go there if it’s not too disgusting. You want to “bang her”, sex her up, nothing more.
But there’s another kind of woman: She’s so interesting to be around. She’s pleasant, fun, up for anything good. She’s relatively able to carry her end of a decent conversation and not be boring. She’s content with who and what she is, is humble about it, and she loves life. That love of life reflects outwardly in how she takes care of herself. How she looks physically, how she dresses herself. She outwardly appreciates and respects you for what you bring into her life (in other words, she recognizes your grace and it has an effect on her). This woman isn’t a woman you want to bang. This is the woman you want to be with. The one you imagine on your arm at the party, smiling. The one across from you at the ball staring into your eyes and smiling (ick, that was so blue-pill beta). And yes the woman you want to have sex with. But there’s a difference. You don’t want to just “bang her”, you want to plant your seed in her. You want to spend the rest of your life with her.
Rihanna does the former well, and Anne does the latter well. I still think it’s typecasting, but I’m sure there has to be some envy in Anne’s mind of not being thought of as the woman that men want to “bang”. I guess women do have an equivalent of this in their minds when it comes to men, but I’m not incredibly sure.
I’ll take vanilla
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/02/article-2255932-16B88FC2000005DC-31_634x830.jpg
over any other picture on that page. Especially Madonna. eeeeesh.
I understand the allure of sex appeal.. every girl wants that desirable, naughty side… but it needs to be a side, not the main course.
The picture with her husband, holding the bags and big glasses.. very much reminds me of my ex wife when she went brunette. (i hate those big glasses but they bring back happier time memories).
Yeah, i’ll take vanilla every time for the long haul.
There’s an attraction to grit (girl beats everything up) but it can’t be a 24-7 thing. Show it in flashes, but yes, in answer to your question.. one is like wearing your slut card on your sleeve, the other, vanilla card on your sleeve shows you’re good over the long haul and someone worth getting to know well beyond questioning whether she likes being choked in bed or not.
I really didn’t get into what I see out of the second category regarding sexuality, but in seeing this, I thought I’d elaborate. It’s frustrating to me to see something like this, especially when it comes to a witness for marriage. I read in Scripture stuff like Proverbs 5:18-19 and then wonder why women can’t have the same attitude towards their husbands – that sex is a gift to be enjoyed freely within marriage and is pleasing to God when it is. I know there’s a societal thing, especially with Churchianity, that says “good girls aren’t sexual” (1 Cor 7:1) and “sexual girls are slutty bad girls”. But at some point, you have to flip the switch and say “yes good people freely have sex within marriage and enjoy it and it’s okay”. It’s not something stressed, it doesn’t overpower everything else, it isn’t used as a weapon for one to gain control over the other, it just *is*. That goes for the event as well as the urges of both the husband and the wife. For me, this is what a “good girl” would look like if I were to marry (this falls into the “content with who and what she is” category).
But as M3 states, there’s lines there. As I’m reminded of an old Emma Peel line: “lady in the parlor and whore in the bedroom”. I’ve seen enough of Anne Hathaway to be convinced that she has a desirable, naughty side that her husband enjoys. But she doesn’t flaunt it in public (usually). Rihanna does. That’s how I’d define what a slutty woman is.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being a good girl, because I think you can be good yet still be interesting….but I think women in the entertainment industry want to keep away from that kind of an image because they think it translates into boring and affects their careers accordingly. The public responds better to rebellious and sexy women in entertainment, even if they have no talent. What I don’t get is that Anne has a very good career history going for her. She’s attractive, a good actress, and is being hired for a variety of different roles in well acclaimed movies so I’m not really sure why she’s complaining about her image because she’s doing very well.
@ballista, I like your verse, that’s a better truth.
Just thoughts on reading in comments, I think there are different kinds of sexy when it comes to women. To me Rihanna has some adorable qualities, and is sexy in a different way than a “good girl” is sexy. Aside from anything related to Chris Brown because that is a whole other story, Rihanna is doing her own thing.Some women are good girls. Some are good girls with a naughty side, and some are just naughty. I love that Rihanna is just being the way that feels good for her and she’s not worried about “Oh noez, what if men don’t find me dainty, or delicate enough to marry me?” She’s just being herself and she’s not afraid to wait to find someone who will accept her for the naughty girl she is. If you aren’t a good girl for real, I don’t no need to be fake about it. I think that quality should be celebrated in women and not shamed.
I don’t get why women want to have grit either. Its not an attractive quality, its a respect of strength quality, which are not the same thing.
Girl I was hanging out with two nights ago was bragging about her networking to pursue a career while actively seeking out shitty jobs (retail, pizza delivery, etc) in the mean time. She saif she was worried of being compared to engineering people that have nothing to talk about in life experience but their jobs. This is a girl who graduated from college with a STEM degree and arts minor at the age of 19 or 20. Now at nearly 22 shes wasted nearly two years of her life. I didnt find the info attractive, I found it daft, stupid, and short sighted.
Yet I run into this often. Women that think gritty is attractive because they see it in the media. All it signals is easy for short term mating with an addiction to new adrenaline. It doesn’t signal quality, at all, but a broken mass of raw emotions.
M3 and ballista74,
I completely agree. And there are ways for a girl, a good girl, to convey that while she is dating a man. A woman can dress in a sophisticate manner, elegant, beautiful and even a bit sexy (I think sexy and slutty are very different). But with a man she has high interest in she will begin to let him know that there is a “bad” girl there, one that she only wants him to see. If she is wearing a bit of a low cut shirt and showing a hint of cleavage, she might move just right to show just him more. When women used to wear floor length dresses so as to hide their ankles, they would let their own men see flashes of their skin.
There are very coy and covert ways for a good girl to convey this bad girl for him attitude and I would say it makes her very interesting as well.
@ Ashley:
The public responds better to rebellious and sexy women in entertainment, even if they have no talent. What I don’t get is that Anne has a very good career history going for her.
Exactly.
Though I do disagree with your second comment. Women like Rihanna, with that quality you stated are glorified, especially today, and the many women wish to become that, even when it really isn’t part of who they are.
All it signals is easy for short term mating with an addiction to new adrenaline. It doesn’t signal quality, at all, but a broken mass of raw emotions.
It’s like a heroine high. Each rush needs to be bigger than the last to make an impact. Big high, big crash. It makes LTR very difficult when they think they are ready to settle down. Men used to know this and they are very much learning it again.
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Which pic? There is no difference to me in those two pictures. One is gritty and racy? Really?
To be honest the pixie cut just turns off all attraction like a light switch. I think she is hugely overrated even with long hair.
When i see a woman being all ‘gritty’.. i see someone who is trying TOO hard.
The drug metaphor is accurate.. and when you’re dealing with a woman who’s always looking for the next high.. you can bet your gorram arse that she’s already thinking about the next guy she’s going to be sleeping with as soon as she’d finished using you for her quick ego boost.
Kind of a self defense mechanism against pump & dump. It can’t be called that if she’s the one doing the dumping… which makes no sense in bio terms. No woman sleeps with a guy she wouldn’t want sticking around. Not unless she’s brain damaged. Men chase, women choose. Men gatekeep commitment, women gatekeep sex.
A woman who pumps and dumps is an affront to her nature or purely delusional. Take your pic. Anyways, got sidetracked… by a funny shaped box. Either Pandora or the one from Hellraiser.
Back to Hathaway.
I do not find that corset pic remotely desirable on any level. The vanity fair cover is garish and she seems so boyish, angry, evil. I get Cruela vibes off her, like she wants to skin dalmations or something. And as OTC said, the pixie cut.. wtf is wrong with these fashionistas.. are they gay or something? Ohh..
Ah fuck, i blame the spice girls and Josh Wheedon (luv Avengers tho).. but it seemed like they ushered in the era of women being rough brash and proud (and unrealistically kickass, and to be viewed as sexy whilst kicking ass) and it spiralled out of control from there. Being cute/vanilla/feminine was now the enemy, something to be disdained and mocked. If you weren’t a woman acting like a man, dressing like a man, kicking butt and taking names like a man.. you weren’t a REAL™ woman.
They’ve made being a woman pariah status.
This Vanity Fair cover is FAIL. And so was the attempt at ‘badgirlhathaway’.
Ash:
*To me Rihanna has some adorable qualities, and is sexy in a different way than a “good girl” is sexy.*
Can i ask you to enumerate Rihanna’s adorable qualities whilst she plays bad girl?
Aside from having some great stripperesque moves while twirling an umbrella’ah’ah’ah’ah’eh’eh’eh.. not much comes to mind.
*“Oh noez, what if men don’t find me dainty, or delicate enough to marry me?” She’s just being herself and she’s not afraid to wait to find someone who will accept her for the naughty girl she is.*
Yes, she’s done wonders in the relationship department hasn’t she
Rihanna has shown me everything i need to know that she’s definitely a *freak* in the bed… and with her looks will never be short of short term mating suitors.
But guys like me will write her off, thus she limits her pool solely to the gangstas and thugs she endures. But hey, if she’s incapable of being/showing/displaying good girl traits and can only be bad.. all naughty/no nice.. so be it. It’s her life. I don’t think it has to be shamed.
But it certainly shouldn’t be effin celebrated or promoted because it will lead to emulation and adoption because some girls don’t feel like reigning in their behavior.
Just like we shouldn’t celebrate a morbidly obese person’s need to eat themselves to death because they have an inability to not put food into their mouth. No need to be fake about it right?
Ahhh, i’ve probably harped on Rihanna too hard here… there are many who are much worse and loathsome than her comparatively. I just ran with it.
Moxie. I hate it. It makes my blood sausage go cold and limp.
Looking at her pics, my impression is she’s projecting “meek and submissive” instead of a “commanding and powerful” presence. That could explain the hug vs pic requests – people feel affectionate instead of respectful.
I never saw Anne Hathaway as a good girl. But I’ve only seen her in the SNL monologue where the guys kept trying to get her to go nude like in her movies, and The Dark Knight Rises. But I’m pretty out of step with popular culture these days, so maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t think of her that way.
Maybe she liked playing Catwoman so much because she got the best of both worlds. She played a Bad Girl, but at the end of the movie, she reformed and settled down. With the ultimate alpha male, no less.
Stingray wrote:
“Vanilla” is attractive like a daughter, “gritty” is attractive like a mate. The trick is to combine the two through mysterious girl game, just as our job is to be father-protector and adventurer-mate simultaneously and according to circumstance.
It is much easier to strike this balance when there are cultural institutions designed to encourage it. The balance is not impossible to strike, but our degenerate culture makes it seem so.
I watched Britney Spears’s slide from proudly virginal, sweet, Star-Search, downhome Louisiana girl to bald, wigger-fucking, confused slut. Pick a Disney Channel star and you can trace the same trajectory. Taylor Swift’s decline is not as steep, but she is reverting to the mean of culture all the same. Hathaway is expressing her frustration being caught between competing pressures.
Women cannot do it alone, especially outside the presence of a father figure who, unlike most men today, understands the score without having to suffer into that wisdom by witnessing the slow sluttification of the women they love. The age difference helps create this dynamic despite deleterious cultural influences whispering temptations in a young woman’s ears. Further, women cannot come late to the need for modesty — it must be instilled in them as they develop into adults, (FINISHING SCHOOL, ANYONE?) because their peak comes so quickly and is gone just as fast. So many ways for them to mess it up today.
A girl needs to work on the calibration device between broadcasting innocence and narrowcasting carnality to privileged eyes. There is no substitute for that fine-tuned equipment. There is no easy explanation about how women should always behave. Like men, they have to rise to the situation and be supremely self-aware, or else defer in all cases to a trustworthy strong man.
Do you think Hathaway has that option? Nope. The culture deserted her. She must navigate a lonely path through the turbulent storms of her 20s without so much as a lodestar, much less the commanding presence of a captain.
Matt
A girl needs to work on the calibration device between broadcasting innocence and narrowcasting carnality to privileged eyes. There is no substitute for that fine-tuned equipment.
Agreed. I mentioned a small bit of this above in my 7:14 comment. Some women are naturally very good at this, others don’t get it at all. It’s rather like a natural at game vs this who must learn only few women desire to learn this any more. It’s very unfortunate as a woman who can convey this “girl game” can drive men crazy or not, at her whim.
Yes, women definitely need a system in place to teach them (in their early years) how to be properly feminine – not girly, which is basically the best you can get these days.
I learned from watching old European movies and reading 19th century literature in my formative years. Even then it wasn’t enough to override the ‘grit is sexy’, grrlpower message, but at least I developed very feminine mannerisms.
There needs to be something systematic (yes, like a finishing school), but who would go for that nowadays, when you can’t even acknowledge the fact that men and women are different in more than genital shape?
The only way to enact widespread dissemination of that kind of non-PC knowledge is the internet, as far as I can see. If we could just figure out how to make the re-feminisation of women the new internet craze… Haha.
“Stingray said:
January 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM
I need to ask the men, is she more attractive in her relative vanilla-ness or is her more *gritty* image more attractive? Or is this question irrelevant as she is attractive either way?
Or should I ask it like this, does one inspire thoughts of sex only while the other might inspire thoughts of someone you could get to know beyond just sex?”
Sex is always there. Always. It sits in the male brain like some ever vigilant gargoyle, pointing to all targets for our spear. And every time he points he does the; wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean?, know what I mean?
The only other consideration at the most basic level is the simple determination of, can I live with her or not? Which places her on one ladder or the other. You could also phrase the question as, can I stand to be around her?
Depending on the guy it becomes a matter of social class, how they were raised, whether or not any particular girl fits the bill in this regard of ‘can I stand her’.
But the thing about Anne is that her face is so attractive with those eyes and those lips that circumstances don’t matter. She could be covered in filth and the voice in our head, remember the gargoyle, would still be screaming for us to, “Do her! Do her now before she walks away. Put your crotch in her hand. Do it! She needs what you have. Do her! Come on! Hurry up you big baby, she’s getting away!.”
That men manage to get through any particular day acting civilized the whole time is a minor miracle.
@ M3,
I don’t get a Cruella vibe from her, rather an attempt at being smoldering. The makeup (which looks amazing, I think) just adds to this. I just don’t get the way she is standing in that picture either. It’s not her. I think she’s beautiful and she can really light up the cover of a magazine. I get why women do this, lots of attention right now. But what happens in the future. She stated she is amazingly happy with her husband. What will the future hold if she continues down this road? Matt mentioned Brittany Spears above. There have been several others who have started down this road and end up on their backsides hard. I wish they would look ahead and see the possibilities of what they are doing.
Athor,
I don’t have an inkling of what the male sex drive must feel like, but from the way I have seen it described I think it a minor miracle as well. I can’t imagine that.
Was thinking about this more and realized she isn’t upset she isn’t sexy. She knows she’s sexy. She simply doesn’t know or want to really say what she wants to be.
She wants to be freaky.
Rhianna is a freak. Lady Gaga is a freak. All our edgiest, current ‘sex symbols’ are freaks. I would go so far as to say that even some of the ‘nice girls’ could be considered such because many of them are built to appeal to a specific, rare niche of men. Felicia Day appealing to nerds. Whoever it was that played Buffy and sidekick in buffy the vampire slayer. The whore/courtesian in Fire Fly.
I couldnt say how long this has been going on, but my own personal hindsight points to Madonna.
Hathaway showed some skin in Brokeback Mountain as well. Not that I would, I guess, but I don’t find her sexy in the least. There is really very little middle ground with her: its either dress up movies (as someone mentioned earlier) or these gritty/naked roles. I see she will be in Les Miserables in such a part. Its actually quite jarring. I don’t know what her love life is like now, but wasn’t her ex-fiance sent to prison for white collar crime? Hey, I sympathize with her. Always getting put in the friend zone is not much fun. There’s some ingredient missing.
Kate,
It mentions in the article above that she is married and very much in love with her husband. She stated that he makes her so happy that she was actually struggling with the role of Fantine as it is such an incredibly sad part. (BTW, I heard the lyrics of her”I Dreamed a Dream” song may have been changed to make it seem as if the song is about her daughter and not about the man she loved and lost? I can’t think of his name right now. Anyone know anything about this?) So her love life is quite good.
Also, I did respond to our conversation again at Heartiste, but it never came out of moderation. I didn’t want you to think I just dropped it.
If she is happily married, then what’s she griping about? Some people and their problems:) lol “I’m happily married but people refuse to see me as a slut. Wah!” ????
Oh, really? Well, sometimes dropping things is good- as long as its not on your toes:) I wrote about it again myself at Eradica. Its becoming pretty clear WW is a troll. I find nothing more infuriating than having disagreements with people over thrid parties who don’t even exist.
Kate,
I suspect she is unhappy about being indecisive about who she is. Ugh, that’s not explaining it right. She’s happy in her marriage, but it doesn’t match what the world tells her she should be happy in. Unfortunately, she is listening to the world.
I suppose there are many people who feel that conflict, which is why its important to have the strength of a few numbers, even if people are only meeting on blogs. It would be a shame to let others ruin true happiness. But one’s happiness should not rest on the majority’s approval. We are designed to seek social approval, but when society itself is not a valid model, we have to accept that others simply won’t understand. Why don’t you reach out to her? Its my belief that the system can only be changed from within. A few celebrity mouthpieces for red pill ideology could be very influential.
I have absolutely zero respect for people like Rihanna. She’s completely broken as a human being as far as I’m concerned.
Even someone like Shakira who does a lot of charity and humanitarian work and is quite intellectual and artistic feels the need to act like a whore in her music videos and I just do not get it. Rihanna is far worse, that said.
I just think Anne isn’t getting the ‘edgy’ roles she’d like. Though Eponine in Les Mis is pretty edgy, maybe she wants to push that further and be like Charlize Theron when she shocked everyone by becoming an ug for ‘Monster’ and got an award for it.
Oops, Fantine, of course
Hey Stingray, I have been really regretting my statement above and would like you to delete my ugly comments. Obviously, I still have some issues I need to work through..My husband doesn’t deserve to be slandered by me.
I hope she wins an Oscar. Her performance was exceptional.
Once it’s gone, she will spend the rest of her life trying to recapture what she’s lost… I’ve seen it many times, especially among women who hate what they have, till it’s gone, then complain and moan and groan about losing what they once had.
Just proves the old adage that women are never happy with what they have.
I think that may be the biggest difference between men and women – men can stop when they are at the pinnacle and say, “This is it. The perfect balance. I’m happy. If nothing were to change, I would be forever content.” Women never seem to be able to stop themselves from wanting more, and watching it all collapse.
Doc,
You ended up in my spam for bit. Sorry about that.
I tend to agree with you that she will be sad to see this part of her life gone if she loses it. I hope she doesn’t lose her marriage in the process.