The following video is not something you will see posted often here. It’s dark and a bit disturbing and while I really enjoy In This Moment, the video is not exactly classy. I considered not posting it for that reason, but I think it’s important.
I am a fan of slapping one to attention when the time is right, when all else is failing. Sometimes, it’s the only way we wake up. However, I also believe that when it come to the Red Pill that slap should rarely, if ever, come intentionally from a woman. This video might come as a slap to anyone still having a difficult time swallowing the Red Pill. Regardless, it’s an excellent demonstration of hypergamy unchecked. Yes, all women are hypergamous, to one degree or another. We can control how we react toward that hypergamy but we can’t make it simply stop. We can remove ourselves from what is causing our hypergamy to run haywire, whether that is an alpha male we are attracted to or a beta male who goes so far as to cause aversion. We can put a damper on hypergamy to counteract it’s affect and how it makes us feel. We cannot, however, make the feeling simply stop because we want it to.
Welcome to hypergamy run rampant, in all it’s glory:
“Blood”
I hate you for every time you ever bled for me
I hate you for the way you smile when you look at me
I hate you for never taking control of me
I hate you for always saving me from myself
I hate you for always choosing me and not someone else
I hate you for always pulling me back from the edge
I hate you for every kind word you ever said
I’ll bleed you dry now
Blood blood blood
Pump mud through my veins
Shut your dirty, dirty mouth
I’m not that easy
Blood blood blood
Pump mud through my veins
I’m a dirty, dirty girl
I want it filthyI love you for everything you ever took from me
I love the way you dominate and you violate me
I love you for every time you gave up on me
I love you for the way you look when you lie to me
I love you for never believing in what I say
I love you for never once giving me my way
I love you for never delivering me from pain
I love you for always driving me insane
I’ll bleed you dry now
Blood blood blood
Pump mud through my veins
Shut your dirty, dirty mouth
I’m not that easy
Blood blood blood
Pump mud through my veins
I’m a dirty, dirty girl
I want it filthyI hate you, I hate you
I’ll bleed you dry now
On the Rock 
I have never heard of them before, but love this music video. Been awhile since I’ve heard something new this heavy and violent that I’ve enjoyed. Most of the stuff in this style is a hold over of music I listened too from the late 90’s.
Much in that your video was an empty woman looking for excitement to fill all the holes she has in her soul, here’s a male version of the same.
Holy crap, they covered Nine Inch Nails “Closer”. With a female vocalist singing closer the song is completely different in so many ways and is so odd.
Leap,
I used to LOVE this song.
And their homage is to men like these :
Would you pay life’s pleasures to see me
Does it hurt for I want you to remain
I run your hair through in another decade
Summerland holds me in sumerian haze
Pain in places where the lovers mourn
Arranging the play things up and down the hall
Forever remain for every day
My honour remains
Forever remain
Between the spaces along the wall
Appearing faces that disappear at dawn
We’re getting closer I can see the door
Closer and closer Kthulhu calls
Forever remain
Forever remain
You’ll seek it it’ll take a while
You’ll seek this if it’s a thousand miles
Take what fate brings eternal and desire
I’ll change those faces then I take their smile
We’re getting close to you I can see the door
Closer and closer or is it there at all
Forever remain
Forever remain
This could be my last regress
Last exit for the lost
This could be my last regress
Last exit for the lost
This could be my last regress
Precious for the lost
Emma,
You mean Bartender? Saw them at my first concert I ever went to – Tattoo The Earth at Red Rocks in Colorado. Love that venue – outdoor ampitheatre built into the rocks of the mountains like old Greek ones. No seats, just rows of ledges. Great acoustics. All my favorite concerts have been there.
I think you are confusing the terms. The song (a good one, I must say) has nothing to do with hypergamy.
I take the “I hate you . . .” lines to mean she hates everything about this beta man, or at least everything beta in a given man and the “I love you . . . ” lines to mean she loves the alpha man or all of this alpha in a given man. That would indicate hypergamy. What do you think she is talking about?
Leap,
Did you listen to Adrenalize on the same album? Thus far, it’s my favorite on this one. Listen to their The Dream album as well. I have a great deal of it on my play list for when I lift.
You might also like Looking Glass and Red Stars (my favorite). Also, early Evanescence and I can’t leave out, Overlord and Crazy Horse by Black Label Society.
Stingray,
I came across this video on Lost’s blog (dating on the move).
My immediate response to it was….this is NOT a normal woman.
Hahahahahaha!
But thinking about it some more…maybe she is.
Hm…
Interesting…and scary!
🙂
Marellus,
This about says it. Yep.
ST,
I don’t think it’s normal in that most women make a least some attempt to rein in their hypergamy to some extent. However, without reins, I think this is what you are left with. Unfortunately, more and more women are dropping their leads and this is what they are reduced to.
Hypergamy came to mean preference for larger “alpha” (whatever the context is) over smaller “alpha” – not about preference of alpha over beta. Originally, hypergamy meant choice of a man who is more “alpha” (in the context of caste/SES) than a woman herself only.
She, however, is talking about being addicted to pain and loving a man who can bring more of it to her – not in the cathartic fashion.
Sasha,
Hypergamy means both a preference of beta over alpha and preference for a higher alpha. In a given group of men, a particular beta man might be the AMOG and then in a different group he will be in the lower end of the spectrum. Hypergamy dictates that she will not be attracted to the beta and will seek the ever higher alpha. She might be addicted to pain, but it is the alpha man giving it to her and the beta man that she hates.
“Hypergamy means both a preference of beta over alpha and […]”
I have never encountered such use (in the alpha over beta version). Alpha and beta are somewhat orthogonal to each other and coexist with a certain amount of tension in every man. She loves and hates the alpha and the beta of *the same man*.
I wondered that as well, but I don’t think this is necessarily true. The song really could be taken for one man or two, but in the long run it doesn’t really matter.
Agreed. Too much beta and hypergamy will dictate she become attracted to a man without so much. Hypergamy is simply what dictates in a woman what she finds to be too beta and where the line is drawn for enough alpha for attraction to take place. If she then meets someone that is more alpha attraction will take place with that man as well.
I’ll repeat myself – in all the usage I encountered, hypergamy has little to do with beta traits – only though their (indirect) connection with alpha traits. There is not such thing as “too much beta” in the context of hypergamy – only “not enough alpha” and limited capacity/ability of each man to embody both alpha and beta on a large scale.
Sasha,
I understand what you are saying and you are right. I think we are talking past each other and taking separate routes to explain the same thing. Yes, hypergamy has little to do with beta traits. The more beta a man is, the more beta traits he displays, the more her feelings go from neutral and start to go into feelings of creepy, hate, disgust. Obviously these feelings are on the deep end of the spectrum. The more alpha traits he possesses, the stronger the hypergamy becomes. All of this is on a sliding scale with neutral being zero. Negative numbers going into the disinterested and further away from zero getting to the hate zone. Positive numbers only trigger more hypergamy and stronger attraction. This scale is an every moving thing for any man in any given situation.
My apologies if I am doing a poor job of explaining myself.
Haha. Damn that was blunt speak. I think this can be an educational shocker lyric for men after they have started digesting the pill.
Wudang,
Yep. That’s exactly why I posted it.
“Pump mud through my veins
I’m a dirty, dirty girl
I want it filthyI love you for everything you ever took from me
I love the way you dominate and you violate me
I love you for every time you gave up on me
I love you for the way you look when you lie to me
I love you for never believing in what I say
I love you for never once giving me my way
I love you for never delivering me from pain
I love you for always driving me insane”
Men need to read this over and over.
WOmen need to read this over and over.
One of the most chilling things I’ve discovered since finding the manosphere 18 months ago is how this aspect of women’s natures is repressed and suppressed. This is being pushed down so far and so deep that even women don’t understand it themselves. If they don’t understand it, then they can’t identify it and they can’t harness it and manage it. It comes out in the form of being ruled by gina tingles; breaking up with “good men” in favor of Harley McBadboy and F**kbuddy Rockbanddrummer; and rawdogging ONSs in bar bathrooms.
We hear girls are “sugar and spice and all things nice”. Women just want to find husbands and boyfriends. Women just want to find a man to love them, a nice guy who will treat them right. They just want to be cuddled and held and talked with and shared with.
No.
Women want men who don’t put up with their shit. They want rough sex. They want men of ever-improving quality. They are hypergamous everywhere, all the time.
Men and women fail to understand this at their peril.
what Deti said. i encounter these women all the time. and getting them into bed is so easy that it’s laughable.
Deti and Danny,
Exactly. But here’s the thing. They do want to be treated right, but right to a woman and right to a man are two different things. I know you know this, but it always needs to be said again. She wants to be treated right by the alpha. She wants to be loved by the alpha. They want to be cuddled and held and talked with by the alpha who has already demonstrated that he will not do these things unless he wants to. Not when/if she wants to. Women go for Harley McBadboy because it is the closest thing they can come to finding an alpha that they want. They cling to the tiniest hope that she will be his snowflake while offering nothing in return. As you said, part of harnessing it is understanding it. Then a woman can not be promiscuous, learn to be feminine, have a host of things to offer in return and maybe land a truly good man one day. Not a good man as we were all taught, but a good man who is neither nice nor cuddly, but does what he needs to do. As Danny said a wolf.
She is not singing about “hypergamy.” She is singing about concupiscence. It is not an urge limited to females. It is the condition of all sinners.
I’m not singling Stingray out by any means, but I’ve about had it with the twee language of the “manosphere” in general. Game is beginning to look like an attempt to reinvent the wheel, to use new-century euphemisms to explain ancient phenomena. Since there is so little classical understanding left, for me to mention that Augustine mastered this entire subject in a footnote to his theology makes me the asshole of the party.
When the culture mocks catechism and moral education in general, kids grow up to be like the singer above, feeling what every sinner feels but with no language to express the psychic crisis. So it comes out in an ugly yawp, a growled declaration of confusion expressed in hideous words and images.
People cannot avoid a moral education; something will teach them how to deal with that irritating voice in their head which some of us learned to call “conscience.” Perhaps they will learn a code from the streets, others will transcend their nerdery through a salvific PUA website. But outside a formal education — a catechesis — just about anything goes. Hence the “game” community with its glossary of moral euphemisms and the goth warbler vomiting up her ill-digested conscience in an attempt at catharsis (which will never come).
Hypergamy is simple concupiscence. This brand of concupiscence affects women more acutely, as was recounted in the second and third chapters of the first book of the most important work of Western civilization. The weaker sex is prone to giving in to temptation because they are the weaker sex. A more concentrated, two-decade run of biological urges, a lesser ability to control them, an expensive gamete, a crush of attention, the burden of mothering, and a small window of opportunity combine to drive women effectively insane. Relative to men, anyway. Now take away any mature assistance from the culture and women are corks bobbing along a tidal wave.
A woman’s concupiscence will manifest itself in subterranean and uncontrollable ways. Women don’t want to mate with the best stock. It is simpler than that. Rather, women are tempted to sin in such concentrated doses that morality and rationality are vacated. Men fill the vacuum, and the men in best position to take advantage of female absenteeism are what gameboys call “alpha.” “Alpha” as they understand the term is the man who (almost femininely) senses this female vulnerability and exploits it, causes her to give in, and aids her concupiscent chase into the hell the girl sings about above.
From this perspective exploitation will appear to be the essence of attraction, when really it is just a man’s unusual empathy for the female predicament and insight into her vulnerabilities. The cry of “Exploit me!” actually means, “Tell me you understand my plight!” or, “Prove to me you commiserate by hurting me.” Women — young, gorgeous, fertile, attractive, desired — get attention for outward qualities from everyone, but they get the attention they need only from the alpha. Alpha looks right past the superficial qualities that the world is enthralled with just like she does; after all, she cannot see herself, she cannot be enthralled by herself the way others are, the way all others are except the alpha, who is looking right through her, who knows her better than herself, who above all knows exactly what she is going through.
A girl doesn’t want to mate with the best stock. She wants to fuck someone who understands her world thrown upside down, whom she is certain can ride with her on the rollercoaster of concupiscence, who can help her give in, who will give in with her, who is strong enough to bear the culpability of giving in for both of them. The beta with the love ballad and bouquet understands nothing of her struggle.
See the problem here? If you don’t you need to be catechized. That rollercoaster has no brakes, no gentle easing to a stop. It sends a girl right off the track to her death. This understanding of alpha is a suicide pact. It is Eve giving Adam the fruit. It is the happy drunk drinking more, and then more, until he sees no way out other than drinking himself to death. It is the serpent’s tongue flicking at a girl’s ear.
The singer isn’t wrapped up in hypergamy. She has sinned, she can’t escape knowing she sinned, and she is seeking punishment to cleanse her and redemption to deliver her. But, encouraged by the serpent and this culture, she believes herself irredeemable. She hasn’t heard there is redemption. She only pines after it like all of us, like all sinners do, in formal language or inchoate groanings. (“The Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words.”)
The singer hasn’t heard the good news. Neither has the game community. “Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?” The good news is: This nightmare suicide pact is not alpha.
Set aside the ethological definition — alpha means pack leadership — and go with the crude PUA definition — alpha means confidence. A woman can be fooled by an appearance of confidence, and she will overinterpret the smallest sign of it into the empathy she needs. So desirous is she for deliverance that she will fool herself into thinking the appearance of confidence constitutes a sign of her deliverer. She will actively seduce herself, tell herself lies, ignore friends’ and family’s advice, to conjure in him the redemption she needs. And as is the fate with all who chase false idols, she will be led off a cliff.
I have discovered after spinning my wheels for so long that this straightforward, classical understanding of the female predicament is considered heretical by the morally obtuse retards who invented the language of “game.” I have concluded that there is a limit to expressing certain advanced ideas in the elementary form they consider to be the hallmark of “red pill” legitimacy. I can see now that not only is it impossible for the “game community” to advance, they prefer to not advance from a rudimentary re-discovery of some important principles. The “unplugging” is the point, and for them, that is satisfying enough.
These concepts are not hard. They are the closest things to our soul, we are hyperfamiliar with them. What’s hard is trying to express these concepts in a language incapable of containing the full scope of their significance.
Matt
Oh man, Matt. You just potentially opened a can of worms that might bore you to tears. Are you ready for this conversation?
First off, don’t do that. I have seen several men ask you for reading lists here and at Roissy’s. I have seen men praise your comments and welcome you back from extended absences because they benefit greatly from your comments. Just because some vocal men are not ready to start contemplating the next steps does not mean there are not many benefitting from your comments.
You have the benefit of high intelligence and intellect coupled with a stellar education. The “twee language” is a step up from complete ignorance and that twee language will drop the euphemisms if the digestion of this first phase is ever complete. There is forward progress, only it is slow. With so many new people coming in ideas are being further digested and rehashed. They are becoming solidified and expanded on. Yes, there are no new thoughts under the sun, but by breaking things down it is being understood and absorbed by more people.
It also leaves us fumbling for words to describe it, as you later said.
I read your link. Thank you for it. Having read it, concupiscence makes perfect sense. However, I don’t think people are going to be able to understand how women and men differ in their “lower appetite” without making stark comparisons. Hence the vocabulary. Corollaries between men and women’s concupiscence have been rearing their heads of late and it has been helpful.
If I continue right now I am going to ramble Matt. I understand what you are saying, but not fully. I have questions. For instance, Alpha. I have never had the same understanding of alpha as the PUA’s. At least, I don’t think I have. Not nearly as eloquently nor as complete, yet I have understood that alpha to be as you described, a helping hand into further appetite. Yet, I don’t think that is what women truly want. It is rather, what they settle for. In that regard, a masculine man, a man headed away from base appetite and toward reason is what I think most women, in their wildest dreams, would dare strive for. Yet, we don’t know how to attract or even that there are such men out there. So I posit that maybe our hypergamy, our female concupiscence, is striving for man, an alpha man as God intended masculinity to be, to pull us away from that. He is the man we can hold onto to keep us from falling into that abyss of appetite as he props us up with his rationality. More than that, he props us up with his mere strength in simply not allowing us to fall back into ourselves.
Ok, forgive me. Sometimes I need to simply talk/type out loud to wrap my head around things like this. Maritus is used to it and you are not. Rip apart what I’m missing please so I can further understand.
Don’t stop “spinning your wheels”. It’s not for nothing. People will take it as far as they are willing to go. Unplugging is a giant step, something I get the sense you never had to do. The further up the staircase one goes, the fewer will follow and that is ok. Some will follow. As I understand it, this too, is nothing new. That doesn’t mean you should stop slapping people across the face with that next step. Most will never see it on their own.
I was thinking about this again today. I think I had the benefit of a good upbringing, good socialisation, and a lifelong faith and regular access to the sacraments. Without these, I would have been a lot worse, because I know I have a masculine and sadistic tendency. I think my wife has the equivalent female tendency, and we have managed to keep it all in the bounds of a Christian marriage, so that it has found healthy channels.
In terms of hypergamy, I think Stingray’s point is that a woman wants an alpha she can live with. My wife wants to cuddle with me, but I always make it clear that I choose to do so. A woman perhaps wants a man who has choices, and chooses to be kind to her. But he could choose not to. He has the option. It is in his behavioural repertoire.
Just one point further. I haven’t watched the song, but I wonder if modern women don’t want to be told NO by a man sometimes. That being frustrated turns them on. I always find that not doing what my wife wants necessarily, or rather doing it my way and in my time, seems to satisfy her at some deep level.
I sometimes despair of this whole area. Men don’t know what women really want. Women don’t know what women really want.
Concupiscence explains a lot.
A girl doesn’t want to mate with the best stock. She wants to fuck someone who understands her world thrown upside down, whom she is certain can ride with her on the rollercoaster of concupiscence, who can help her give in, who will give in with her, who is strong enough to bear the culpability of giving in for both of them.
I think the same can be said about some men, this is interesting motivation that I hadn’t considered before.
@ Matt
Don’t stop. Stingray is right. The further up the staircase, the fewer will follow. But some will.
“Not a good man as we were all taught, but a good man who is neither nice nor cuddly, but does what he needs to do. As Danny said a wolf.”
i need you to chime in on my new Padawan. JV…..please chime in too.
@ Matt and Stingray
” I have seen several men ask you for reading lists here and at Roissy’s.”
If I’m one of the examples, I’m working on it. I ran into some roadbumps on my leadership abilities and assertiveness, so I prioritized a couple books on those first to solve immediate, short term problems. Then i’m jumping into the classics. Not sure which will be the first for me.
And Matt, there’s always been a plethora of men and women that want the easy way out. For all of history, as far as I can tell, it is a rare man that strives to better himself mentally and spiritually instead of just materially. Given that our current culture seems to be especially hedonistic and materialistic compared to majority of human history, I’m not surprised this is a growing trend.
Coming from a weird mix of masculine free time (sports, boyscouts, camping, firearms) and very feminine christian upbringing…. Plus that I was given free reign on my own education, I never delved deep into the classics or heavy thinkers. I took all advanced, high level, ap type courses, but they simply weren’t on the docket. And any biblical reading I did wasn’t really through the church but my own curiosity. As such, most of my reading is new testament – the Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Paul. Along with Romans. Even this I feel is above most Christians and certainly above majority of the US.
Lord, sometimes I want to be a parent for the sole reason to try and be a shining example of how to raise a boy into a man in a world that doesn’t seem to know how to do it. The urge blindsides me most times, because at 27 I’m no where near ready to have a child and not even dating anyone at the moment.
KingA
From this thread on Sosuave. (Rollo’s haunt)
“Women will slip me their phone number when their boyfriend is in the bathroom. I can talk to women on the street or in the grocery store and within 30 minutes, I can usually have sex with them right there in my car or get them back to my place. If I have to settle for a phone number, and I meet her on another day, assuming she doesn’t flake, I WILL **** her that next day.
Let me point out right now that my Modus Operandi doesn’t change in the slightest if she single or if she has a boyfriend or husband. I just do my normal routine and I **** her. Sometimes she brings up the boyfriend so she won’t feel guilty when I **** her because now it’s “my fault.” Sometimes she hides it from me until after I’ve ****ed her, then she admits it. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been laying next to some chick, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she’s on the phone with her man, giving him some bull**** story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes on, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most – loyalty – is just not there with women. Women don’t think in terms of honor, women don’t say “word is bond;” women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That’s why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc.
(later he gives tips on pickup)
* Don’t be sexually judgemental in any way. A woman’s worst fear is to be perceived as a slut. She will suck your toes and take it in the ass if she thinks you don’t view her poorly for it (and she knows her friends won’t find out.)
* Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn’t have to feel like it was “her fault.” Make it YOUR fault. Make it “just happen.” She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bull**** generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don’t get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.
* Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.
* BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULL****. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bull**** or not… because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bull**** when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bull****, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)… because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically ‘impart’ to the chick!”
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Matt/King A:
Epic. And brilliant.
Stingray wrote:
There’s a phrase we entrepreneurs have. You’re either busy growing or you’re busy dying. My mounting disaffection has to do with the pace of change, not the fact of change.
My boredom largely is an effect of the flagship site, Roissy, still peddling the same shopworn wares two years after I directly encountered the conversation. It struck me recently that my first reaction to game has not moved much past my present reaction — it is a side effect of spiritual illiteracy and sloth.
My disappointment has to do with those gameboys who hold themselves out as Christians, or anyone looking to expand game beyond inane pick-up tricks, including Athol Kay who writes about marriage. They aren’t as sophisticated or subtle as they will have to be. And they seem to be satisfied with chit-chat and conversational circle-jerking.
That said, you, Stingray, are a bright shining light. You and this site are the biggest sign of advancement I have seen. I don’t mean to discourage you at all. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.” I just want to pick up the pace already. I’m weary of the repetition.
You are plowing some fertile fields here. Bringing the forbidden truth to a female audience is invaluable. But the men? They are ready to go. There is only so much utility in the discussion. We are being briefed and re-briefed for a mission nobody wants to engage. So they dicker around with coeds to satisfy their antsy pantsies, and the broader engagement is not even contemplated, much less begun.
L’audace, l’audace, l’audace. Toujours l’audace?
I don’t think the sloth is a coincidence. Miring oneself in a gluttonous lifestyle saps the spirit. The sexually super-satiated man so easily becomes a worthless, post-orgasmic, snoring POS. What use do they have for casting their alcoholic gaze beyond their umbrella drinks “poolside”? You can’t even challenge their manhood; it has been so completely retranslated into “game” terms that they cease being embarrassed for their Roosh-like stagnancy. Men should want to do great things. But they have philosophized themselves into forever chasing a stupor.
Your long digressions could never “bore [me] to tears,” sweetheart. I love them. I am endowed with an attention span.
Matt
Leap of a Beta wrote:
Very true. We don’t need every man, we just need the rare man, who can lead a group of the otherwise complacent. “One man with courage makes a majority.” We are standing by for a catalyst to create the critical mass. It’s a shame because you see so many candidates for leadership, but their thinking is so muddled and abstracted that they seem hardly capable of tying their shoes, much less sparking the powderkeg.
There can be no achievement without leadership. There can be no leadership without discipline. And there can be no discipline without the kind of introspection that owns up to our spiritual condition. Those who seem to understand this progression don’t have the initiative to effect it, and those who do possess the initiative are squandering it on skirt-sniffing. They are children with deadly weapons.
It’s Gollum with the Ring of Power hunting fish in subterranean lakes rather than leading armies to the redoubt of the witch feminism, who is half-dead already, who merely needs standing up to.
Matt
I agree. I only go there occasionally now out of curiosity, mostly. Sometimes to post a comment, but rarely. Every once in a while I get the sense that he is getting tired of the same “game”. He drops subtle hints and then goes back to the same ol’. I don’t know what drives him. Maybe the continuous flow of new men, maybe it’s that he simply has no faith or drive to move on. I don’t know, but there is something more there. A dash of hope maybe? But it is quickly suppressed again and back to the usual.
It a place of comfort for new men, those who are looking for the courage to begin. I think Athol’s idea is to reach the masses (He’s also atheist). I don’t see him moving beyond comfort with his goals being what they are. That’s not to say I disagree with what you’re saying, I simply think it is going to have to be a series of men working in the community, much as it is now. Athol’s is a place to start and now someone needs to become the next step that you are looking for. I don’t disagree. I see what appears to be a bit of a fumbling. Not because people don’t understand but because they are starting to wonder, “Now what?” You do realize that you would be ideal to begin this next step, right? The fact that you don’t want to may be even the best reason you would be good for the role.
Thank you.
Some men are. Truly are. Many are not. They are reaching bottom still and some need to wallow there for a bit. Some don’t even realize it’s bottom because it all seems like such a step up. They are finally attracting women. They are getting now what they never could before and they are enjoying it. The happiness seems so much better without realizing that they have given up part of themselves in the process. It is inevitable and it is not simply the responsibility of the male sex that this is happening. Yes, many men are driven by themselves, by what is inside themselves. But many are driven by women, by the idea of what a woman can bring to them, love, companionship, comfort, beauty. Women used to be an inspiration. As a group, what kind of inspiration do we bring anymore? We shun companionship, our idea of love is absurd, we deride bringing comfort and ask instead, “what are you doing for me?”, and beauty is a hassle. We have nothing left to offer that is inspiring to men. We no longer reach that place in a man that wants to make him stand up and be better. Do all men need this from women? No. Of course not, and I am not trying to claim that they do. But for many, it is there and we are failing on our side of that.
I don’t think it a coincidence either. For many, their spirits were already sapped. They tried the route in life they thought was “right” and it proved wrong. The thinking is, I tried and I failed. At least now I am getting women and there is no challenge to it. Without the challenge, without the true reward, the philosophical stupor makes more sense.
Some will wake up, they will come out of it. Some already have. But I can’t help understand why many of these guys are doing this when there seems so little to crawl out to. There is a life to crawl out to, of course. But it is nearly invisible right now. The longing is starting to show, but there is no direction on how to get there.
I don’t know. I am babbling again. Thinking and typing at the same time. Sometimes it’s the only way to hash it out to reach the clear. There is more that I am missing but I can’t get there yet. I think you can understand what I’m getting at. There is difficulty too, me trying to understand this as a woman. Men have an inner drive. One that they must pick up and steer all on their own, but women have a some responsibility in this as well. To be the muse for those looking for inspiration.
@ Stingray
I think that you’ve nailed it.
KIng A: PLEASE don`t stop. I need to keep reading what you write. Not just for insight about gender but for your grasp of the western intelectual tradition unpoluted by academic trends of the last 50 years.
Stingray have you read the book Iron Jhon by Jhon Bly? I recently ordered it. It supposedly describes the path to mature manhood and the way people all over the world have traditionally sought to guide men towards that through initiation by other men. He uses the warrior, king, magician, lover archetypes.
Just Visiting do you have a blog or a webiste? Somewhere I got the idea that you teach the art of becoming feminine?
Wudang,
I haven’t read it, but I am a big fan of the idea of boys becoming men through an initiation. It makes a tremendous amount of sense. I will take a look at that book, though. Thank you.
Stingray, you’re not “babbling.” Yours is one of the better posts I have seen — if only because you are engaged in the conversation we should be having on the men’s side. It is inspiring.
I am not Achilles sulking in his tent. I just don’t want to take on a project half-assed. It needs to be full-time and full-speed. I have the resources to play consiglieri to a young leader on the come. Where is he?
The casual approach was appropriate for a time, but the efficacy of half measures — pseudonymous blogs, weekend pick-ups, The World According to Game — is maxed out. The kairos has arrived, it is time for the full measure.
Well said, which is why your part continues to be so important. God bless you for taking up the mantle. It looks like you are already inspiring others, including me. Keep it up, sister.
Matt
Matt,
Are you familiar with Rock Throwing Peasant? He is going in a different direction. You may wish to take a look there. He was looking for some bodies of work a bit back specifically about agape. I told him to look you up, as I remember you commenting on that here.
I know your not and I know what you mean. I am already falling behind here and I don’t like it, but being in a more passive role makes it different from my end and it works for now. I wish you the best of luck on your search. If there is anything I can do to help, say the word.
@ Wudang
I don’t have a blog, but I’m highly complimented by your comment. You made my night.
“There can be no achievement without leadership. There can be no leadership without discipline. And there can be no discipline without the kind of introspection that owns up to our spiritual condition. Those who seem to understand this progression don’t have the initiative to effect it, and those who do possess the initiative are squandering it on skirt-sniffing. They are children with deadly weapons.”
I know I personally am working on it. I’m constantly reading stuff on the ‘Sphere that I deem relevant as well as books. Right now finishing up a book on leadership, before that one on asserting myself. Next probably throwing back to some of the classical stuff. Goal being to start a theatre company that’s community based with the goal of hiring all local actors, directors, designers, and commissioning plays SPECIFICALLY for that community with the goal of telling stories and starting conversations about subjects that matter to that community. I think it’d go over well here in Chicago and I’ve started a conversation with a few people about using some inheritance money I’m getting in January to do a production in that vein.
Right now I just turned 27. Due to the combination of the red pill, a better diet, making sure to take good vitamin supplements… I’m undergoing a lot of change and what I’ve heard others describe as a “maturing and crystallization” of the male mind as he approaches 30. I’m excited for it, honestly
Also Matt, I don’t know if you’ve seen it or not, but there is some hope with the Nexxt Level site. I haven’t had enough time to check it out yet, but I’m hoping it starts to take things beyond just “game” and organizing your life around attracting women – but towards actually becoming something towards bettering yourself. If it does get going…. Well, I’ve been considering if I’d have anything to offer on a ‘Culture” side of things with my theatre background. Not sure if there would be any demand in the community for it or not though.
“I don’t have a blog, but I’m highly complimented by your comment. You made my night.”
About time to make one don`t you think? You would have at least one reader:)
I’m honored. And something worth considering.
JV,
Make that at least two readers. 🙂
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Thank-you! I’d be very fortunate to have you and Wudang as readers.
Stingray,
This is exactly what I needed to see, I was deeply confused and frustrated, I really ached to know, what I was doing wrong. This is a slap in the face, the burn of the stove, better even learning the language and the CUSTOMS of a deeply foreign land, with NANOSCOPIC precision.
My severity, which felt in my last comment, was partly due to my development of personality of an virtually psycopathic, and not in the criminally violent nature, just to cope and to not lose, invulnerable psychologically was my aim. Im just the good guy turned bad on the wrong battlelines.
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Good song but this has nothing to do with hypergamy.
Women have two primary sexual imperatives
1. The need for the alpha male
2. The need for the provider male (greater access for her to male resources – primarily financially)
Hypergamy is the root cause of the second imperative. A women can easily indulge her hypergamous nature by hooking up with a rich nerdy beta male.
Any dictionary definition of the word hypergamy will tell you the same.
This song is 100% about the primary female imperative which is the need for the alpha and the distain for the beta.